Thursday, August 18, 2005

the far left???

went to the local anti-war / support cindy sheehan vigil last night. lots of folks there i hadn't seen before, guess they must be part of the far left of kent. or so one would think from listening to people puke out the latest "talking points" going round the right wing radio circuit.

anyway, some of us had a good laugh at the notion that moveon.org or ben cohen could in any way be considered "far left".

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--added later after some remarks from readers - seems i've done some sloppy writing.
was very impressed by the turnout, the organizers did a terrific job and the community responded.

if it seems if i'm making fun of people showing up at protests instead of bitching about the characterization of moveon.org and other moderate liberal groups as "far left" by the right wing - see the explanation in the comments segment
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4 comments:

  1. Wait a minute Sue. I have great respect for you and your music, but I have to ask. What is this really about? Is it about working together to acheive a common political/social goal? Or is it about being lefter than thou? Because if its about being lefter than thou, I heard Rush needs a few dittoheads down in Florida, because in terms of the "politically moral high ground"--whatever that is--"With Rush" is about where you sit.

    Everybody does what they can, Sue. Isn't that what I said to you? I do what I can and a little more, and you go all out. But to poke fun at people for not being lefty enough...when does the left start to look like the right from my perspective?

    Again, I say this out of a deep respect for you and your music. But don't lose yourself. I'm not sure how else to say what I'm trying to say. The right is all about being righter than thou. You go to Free Republic and they practically shriek out their attempts to outdo each other in how much they love America. Are we going to be the same? Did you offer any encouragement or talk to the folks who had never been to a vigil before? Did you talk to them about the marches you'd been to, the times you've been arrested for your political beliefs (I assume there's been a couple), the songs you've sung? Or did you hang around in your little clique and make fun of people and "have a good laugh"?

    Again, a great respect for you and your music. But be careful that you don't become your enemy. That's all I'm saying.

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  2. Wait a minute Sue. I have great respect for you and your music, but I have to ask. What is this really about? Is it about working together to acheive a common political/social goal? Or is it about being lefter than thou? Because if its about being lefter than thou, I heard Rush needs a few dittoheads down in Florida, because in terms of the "politically moral high ground"--whatever that is--"With Rush" is about where you sit.

    Everybody does what they can, Sue. Isn't that what I said to you? I do what I can and a little more, and you go all out. But to poke fun at people for not being lefty enough...when does the left start to look like the right from my perspective?

    Again, I say this out of a deep respect for you and your music. But don't lose yourself. I'm not sure how else to say what I'm trying to say. The right is all about being righter than thou. You go to Free Republic and they practically shriek out their attempts to outdo each other in how much they love America. Are we going to be the same? Did you offer any encouragement or talk to the folks who had never been to a vigil before? Did you talk to them about the marches you'd been to, the times you've been arrested for your political beliefs (I assume there's been a couple), the songs you've sung? Or did you hang around in your little clique and make fun of people and "have a good laugh"?

    Again, a great respect for you and your music. But be careful that you don't become your enemy. That's all I'm saying.

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  3. i'm a bit confused, as i wasn't poking fun at anyone that attended the vigil, and don't have a "little clique". must be a misunderstanding, so i will clarify the original post.
    the vigil for cindy sheehan had a great turn out in kent - the people who put it together did so in one day, and brought out people who had never protested before as well as those who have.

    my comments about the far left had nothing to do with the individuals at the vigil, but the small political thought universe of those on the right who consider a moderate liberal organization to be "far left". there were very few people there who would identify themselves as "far left", and some not even as "left", just concerned citizens. those were the people the right wing were trying to convince to stay home that night by characterizing the opposition as extreme leftists with whom they could have nothing in common.

    so, just to make sure i'm being clear - there was no poking fun of my neighbors, wasn't making any judgements about anyone's political views, and i was very glad that people outside the familiar community of organizers showed up. not the first time my warped sense of humor or sarcasm has led to misunderstandings - hope this clears things up.

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  4. Sue, I need to stay out of politics and get back to shoveling snow. Yeah, it was a misunderstanding. I didn't see what you were driving at (knocks self on head). I get it now. Sorry about that. Hey...do we get an album anytime soon? I'm not sure if you remember me but you sold me a copy of Welcome Home at a ridiculous price, I hope I had the sense to explain my poverty to you--that I couldn't afford what you normally charge for them. It's a great album, anyway.

    The only beef I have with Sheehan is that Karl Rove gets a bye on Plamegate because of it. But Gee Dub is completely disconnected from reality. I mean, like delusional, like, psychiatrically diagnosable. *I* think. He could have defused the whole situation a month ago by giving Sheehan what she wanted. But that would be "wavering". He'd have to admit, even tacitly that he might have made a mistake. And he simply can't do that. It's not in his personality. It's not in any of the personalities of the people in his Administration. To use a simile, it's like Catholicism, where the doctrine is that the Pope is infallible. But the problem is, if the Pope is infallible, then no Pope can contradict a past Pope. That's the problem the Administration is having. If the Administration wants to be infallible, they can't contradict themselves or admit they were wrong or made a mistake. And believe it or not, that's an enormous problem for a Presidential Administration. The ability to get on national telivision and say, "Well, Americans, we screwed this one up big time" covers a multitude of sins. Bushco cut his own feet out from under him with that.

    Anyway I'm sorry to go on. Hope alls well with you and your folks in Kent.

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